Rules amendment suggestion for TV Scene Requests: Season requests as grouped episode requests

[somegrue]

The clear "1 RELEASE / topic!" policy has definite advantages. Then again, when it comes to TV releases, having to turn what for all practical intents and purposes is a season request into a bunch of episode requests has definite disadvantages as well, for both requesters and fillers, and doubly so when the season has more episodes than the daily quota. I think I've thought of a way to have the cake and eat it too, though:

• Make a subforum called... actually, I haven't been able to come up with a good name, so I'll just call it "Sub" herebelow.
• Requesting a full season (or some other group of releases, potentially) becomes a two-step process:
  • Start by posting episode-request threads just as currently, except in "Sub" instead of in "TV" itself.
  • Then return to "TV" and post one additional season-request thread whose OP must (!) include links to the episode threads, instead of or as well as links to srrdb et al.
• Fillers need never bother looking at threads in "Sub" directly, only indirectly via said links in the season thread, and only if they're interested in filling season requests in the first place.
• Fills may consist of single releases or a season pack, and either way may be posted as a single reply in the season thread (less effort, less likes), or as replies in each of the episode threads (more effort, more likes).

Single-episode requests remain in "TV" proper, of course. The only downside I see is that season requests may simply happen too rarely to be worth creating category-specific rules such as these for.

Thoughts?

 

[SoulReever]

Perhaps a sub forum (like we currently have for FLAC under the music forum) called season packs?

Also I apologiese for my post recently - I was't aware of the 1 release/topic rule (as I'm new here) and assumed I could bundle my 10 requests/day under one thread to avoid excess thread clutter...

I'd imagine for the appreciation scores and for searching the forum - individual replies per each episode would work better? Users could then potentially also be directed to a specific reply in the season pack forum if they make a request in the TV shows forum for an episode that's already been filled?

 

[somegrue]

Perhaps a sub forum (like we currently have for FLAC under the music forum) called season packs?

My apologies, my target audience were members with enough experience with the intricacies of this system (the board software, the written rules, the unwritten practices, and how those things affect each other) that I didn't bother spelling out any of the advantages and disadvantages I'm perceiving.

A practical reason to stick strictly to "1 RELEASE / topic!" is that the rule 2 limits requests to 10 per day, and the board software tries to implement that by limiting thread creation to 10 per day. Requesting a full season via a single thread would undermine that.

A disadvantage of splitting up season requests into episode requests is that it clutters up the TV forum, just as you say - and as already touched on in the OP, doubly so for double-digit episode counts, which because of the daily quota have to posted in several batches which then end up spread out across several pages with unrelated requests in between.

My idea of putting episode requests that are meant to be part of season requests into the subforum, and then an additional season request into the main forum, deals with both of those issues quite elegantly, IMO.

Also I apologiese for my post recently - I was't aware of the 1 release/topic rule (as I'm new here) and assumed I could bundle my 10 requests/day under one thread to avoid excess thread clutter...

It's a natural assumption to make, as is the assumption that there's no need to look for rules beyond what's displayed in the global header panel.

I'd imagine for the appreciation scores and for searching the forum - individual replies per each episode would work better? Users could then potentially also be directed to a specific reply in the season pack forum if they make a request in the TV shows forum for an episode that's already been filled?

The search here isn't great when it comes to Scene-standard whitespace characters like dots and underscores (ETA: more at scnlog.me/forum/threads/24/post-51384 ff). I think it may also work better for body plaintext than for titles and links and the like, but I may also well be mistaken on that count. If the season request thread includes a list of episode release names, as well as the links to the episode request threads, which is good sense anyway, both should show up in a search for any individual episode. Similarly, the "Is this already being discussed?" widget that shows up in "post thread" forms should prevent partial dupes - this is again not entirely reliable, due both to software and human error, but wouldn't affect my suggested amendment any more or less than it does the status quo.

 

[aGGyunit]

While this would make sense, there are a few big issues I can see with this:
- the forum software is not setup for this, how would you calculate posting limits? 10 topics, so 10 seasons in 1 day? That's insane.
- How is this fair compared to someone who wants all Kontor_Top_Of_The_Clubs series but can only req 10 volumes each day, in 10 different topics?While you can ask for an entire season (some have tons of episodes) in 1 post.
- the scene releases mostly in single episodes, so from a pure scene perspective, packs are homemade by putting releases together.
- posts can become messy when you req 10 episode and someone only has a few episodes, in the end there's many replies, how are you going to display what's left to be filled?
- Games section people will be angry as they are not allowed to ask for the Game + update + DLC's in 1 topic ... so do we make them a new section too?

I'm not against it but there's a lot of things to think about, will require the ADMIN (who's been offline since Jan 2nd) to make changes.
It just feels like this is going to create more problems than it solves.
1 episode = 1 scene release / topic has worked so far and is fair for everyone, in my opinion.

 

[somegrue]

While this would make sense, there are a few big issues I can see with this:
- the forum software is not setup for this, how would you calculate posting limits? 10 topics, so 10 seasons in 1 day? That's insane.
[snip]

Those are all good points... all of which the suggestion I actually made neatly avoids! This may be a "one picture example > one thousand words" situation; do you mind if I post a couple of extra threads in this forum to illustrate what I have in mind? I could try it with posts in this thread as stand-ins for separate threads, but am a bit worried that that is just going to add more confusion than it removes.

- posts can become messy when you req 10 episode and someone only has a few episodes, in the end there's many replies, how are you going to display what's left to be filled?

Okay, this one is a fair point, which had indeed escapted me.

In my mind, the only fillers who would be filling any episodes in such a full-season request would be those who are able and willing to fill all episodes. (ETA: This would be an option for requesters, not a requirement. The other option would be to post an unlinked bunch of single-episode requests, precisely as now. And by using this option, the requester would in effect be saying, "I'm only interested in a full-season fill, otherwise please ignore".) In principle, though, there might be situations in which no filler has the full season, but several fillers have portions, which do cover the season between them. In such a situation, this might dissuade those fillers from contributing, so it'd be bad for the requester. Has this ever actually happened, though? If it's as unlikely as I imagine it to be, I'd not let it bother me.

Even with a single filler, though, if they do fill with episode uploads instead of a season pack, they may well not post all the episodes at the same time, so what you say about things getting more messy applies still. How about if the requester marks up the links in the season thread, using the colour scheme establishd via the tags? Like so, using some real requests of mine to illustrate:

scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e01-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.48633
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e02-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49081
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e03-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49082
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e04-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49362
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e05-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49363
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e06-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49364
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e07-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49366
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e08-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49368
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e09-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49369
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e10-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49370
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e11-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49371
scnlog.me/forum/threads/big-love-s02e12-internal-dvdrip-xvid-osiris.49373

... okay, that took too much effort and has too many drawbacks to be actually workable as-is. But something a bit better along those broad lines ought to do the trick, surely.

I'm not against it but there's a lot of things to think about, will require the ADMIN (who's been offline since Jan 2nd) to make changes.

Another good point, and this one did occur to me, I just didn't want to rain on my own parade my bringing it up myself. Making the new subforum is something the admin would need to do himself, huh?

 

[aGGyunit]

If the admin wants to implement this, cool.
For the limited use it will get, I doubt it's worth the work.

This would also require the requester to do a bit of work and some people already struggle to mark a topic FILLED or click the like button ...

 

[somegrue]

This would also require the requester to do a bit of work and some people already struggle to mark a topic FILLED or click the like button ...

Yep. But as I said, it'd be optional, so those who would be struggling with it wouldn't be forced into it.

 

[Zekas]

Depends on the release source.
Airing TV Shows is a bit harder but can be similar to home theater releases. The only difference is that the english scene (main) has no rules where a group can secure a show.
So for the episodes a few groups had released the tv show while it was aired, on home theater release mostly one group is involved.
Therefore scene request practice can be used on the board aswell but with a ruling like 1 season pack per day. (Which actually needs moderations of the moderators)
Requests had been done like this:
Airing: NameTV.S01.1080p.HDTV.x264-ANY
Home: NameTV.S01.DVDRiP.XViD-GRPName

 

[somegrue]

Depends on the release source.
Airing TV Shows is a bit harder but can be similar to home theater releases. The only difference is that the english scene (main) has no rules where a group can secure a show.
So for the episodes a few groups had released the tv show while it was aired, on home theater release mostly one group is involved.
Therefore scene request practice can be used on the board aswell but with a ruling like 1 season pack per day. (Which actually needs moderations of the moderators)
Requests had been done like this:
Airing: NameTV.S01.1080p.HDTV.x264-ANY
Home: NameTV.S01.DVDRiP.XViD-GRPName

I like the naming solution @aGGyunit came up with for this pack I posted the other day:

Mr.and.Mrs.Smith.2024.S01.1080p.WEB.H264 *SCENE-PACK*

Trying to force the information into the scene naming scheme somehow always seemed silly to me, TBH. Plus, this keeps working when more than the group name differs between releases, which happens occasionally - like "H264" as well as "x264" in the codec slot, or "BDRip" as well as "DVDRip" in the source slot. Anyway, I really don't think that's one of the major hurdles here.

 

[Zekas]

Plus, this keeps working when more than the group name differs between releases

Thats why you would have to write -ANY for any group, with the *SCENE-PACK* naming its the same just longer
For the codec part, is not really a problem for the scene side because H264 is still mandatory with x264 encode and for the format is up to the requester if he wants hdtv bd or dvdrip.

 

[somegrue]

not really a problem

Let's just agree to agree on that bit!

 

[Zekas]

Let's just agree to agree on that bit!

Agreed its the matter of personal taste ❤️

 

[somegrue]

Based on just now trying out the part of this suggestion that doesn't depend on admin work (*REQUEST-LIST*, Request Tracker), it occurred to me that there may be a better way to go about this.

• First, come up with a unique name for the group of requests (episodes in a season or whatever else) you're about to post. This can be something like "Tom.Clancys.Jack.Ryan.S04.BDRip.x264-JustJack" or something like "RG01" (for "request group 1") or whatever.
• Add the name to a custom search URL like "scnlog.me/forum/search/1/?t=post&g=1&q=...". If it was unique, this should return blank at this stage. Otherwise, come up with a better name.
  • https://scnlog.me/forum/search/1/?t=post&g=1&q=Tom.Clancys.Jack.Ryan.S04.BDRip.x264-JustJack
  • https://scnlog.me/forum/search/1/?t=post&g=1&q=RG01
• Then add the name to each request post. Long names like "Tom.Clancys.Jack.Ryan.S04.BDRip.x264-JustJack" should go in the body. Short names like "RG01" may be fine in the title - TBD.
  

  
  Tom.Clancys.Jack.Ryan.S04E01.BDRip.x264-JustJack
  
  https://www.srrdb.com/release/details/Tom.Clancys.Jack.Ryan.S04E01.BDRip.x264-JustJack
  
  (part of Tom.Clancys.Jack.Ryan.S04.BDRip.x264-JustJack)
  

• Post the search URL in the appropriate place(s), which might mean the requests themselves (like the long name above) or the "Request Tracker" sticky or whatever.

The search results listing replaces the manual linklist, with the major upside that it gets assembled and updated automatically. The only downside that occurred to me so far is that it'll include any threads that aren't requests in the group but mention the group's name for whatever reason - like this post does for my pair of examples, for example.

 

[coral]

Is there a recommended way for requesting only the idx+sub RARs for an entire season? These are rather small files and I'd assume it would be easier for the filler to zip the entire pack and upload it as a single file. Or should I still go by the basic rules and start a topic for every episode mentioning "subs only" in the title and then creating a separate topic for tracking the filled/unfilled status of each release?

 

[aGGyunit]

Is there a recommended way for requesting only the idx+sub RARs for an entire season? These are rather small files and I'd assume it would be easier for the filler to zip the entire pack and upload it as a single file. Or should I still go by the basic rules and start a topic for every episode mentioning "subs only" in the title and then creating a separate topic for tracking the filled/unfilled status of each release?

I have created a sub section in TV Shows & Movies for Subs/Sample/nfo/sfv/proof ONLY.

Post them in there. As they are tiny files you can combine an entire season in 1 post for that purpose.
Up to the requester to track what is filled / unfilled.

 

[joker]

As long as a season is released by the same group using the same naming scheme why not request it as 1 thread like/or:

''Utopia.S01.BDRip.XviD-HAGGiS''
''Utopia.S01E01-06.BDRip.XviD-HAGGiS''
''Utopia.S01.COMPLETE.BDRip.XviD-HAGGiS''

When it comes to DVD/BDs of entire seasons they are usually released at the same time by the same group so one can assume if someone managed to find/fill 1 episode odds are that the rest of the episodes would also be at their grasp.

IMO only hdtv/webrips should be requested as single episodes since there may be many different versions of them.
This would keep the TV request section more clean and I'd argue that it would also make the life of the person filling the requests easier because you can fill it up in 1 go.

This came to mind when I am looking to request a season of an old series that I'm missing.
The show has very long seasons some of which with close to 40ep.
Granted that I only need season 2 that 'only' has 29ep... still it's a bummer to request each episode 1 by 1 when it could be easily filled on a single sitting.

edit: to not make people overwork make a rule of just 1 season/pack a day independent of how many episodes said season has.

 

[aGGyunit]

I don't support this change.

People already struggle to understand the current rules, if we ad complex rules as : 10 requests (including re-up) / day (24hr), but only 1 of them can be an entire TV show season ... non native English speaking users would have no idea what the hell I'm talking about.
It would also force us to look at yet another thing that people need to follow (cause I bet you some people will abuse this, counting to 10 is already too hard for some).

How do people who want to request a discography feel when they need to request them 1 by 1, but you get the request a 29 Episode TV show in 1 topic?

40 eps = 40 releases = 4 days
40 music scene rels take 4 days ... I dont see why one should be allowed to request more than the other.

I made the exception for subtitles earlier, I won't add to it.

 

[joker]

I understand but still think it's not practical at all.
Look at the size of these seasons

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Good thing I managed to grab a torrent pack and only missing season 2 https://www.srrdb.com/browse/The/Twilight/Zone/s02/REMASTERED/DVDRip/TVA/1

 

[kezcik]

joker requests 6 episodes of a TV Show... I post all 6 releases in 1 RAR package to 3 different hosting sites...
I get 6 appreciation score by joker when he marks it filled...

I decide to upload season 2 of the very same TV Show and post it in 1 RAR package to 3 different hosting sites...
I get 1 appreciation by joker when he sees it...

appreciation and the 10 post request limit is the reason the rules are the way they and this is such a tricky question for the administrators. I'm okay with whatever changes happen as I am a filler and don't typically make requests.

 

[joker]

Could make it so that filling a season with multiple episodes will grant 'appreciation' corresponding to the number of episodes filled.

It's not much of a problem when a season has less than 10 episodes to request however when it's 29 like the season 2 that I'm missing https://www.srrdb.com/browse/The/Twilight/Zone/s02/REMASTERED/DVDRip/TVA/1 it can be a pain.